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Space Digest Tue, 10 Aug 93 Volume 17 : Issue 007
Today's Topics:
Auction of Soviet space goodies
British astronaut tour
Did NOAA-I get up OK?
man-made meteor storm?
Mars Observer's First Photo (MEDIA WANTS DIGITAL IMAGES!)
Moon Rocks For Sale
Newton's method
S.H. is a hypocrite (3 msgs)
Space Shuttle Challenger
Titan IV failure. Info? (4 msgs)
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Date: 10 Aug 1993 01:05:02 GMT
From: Josh Hopkins <jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Auction of Soviet space goodies
Newsgroups: sci.space
higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>My morning mail had a message from Dennis W. Webb
><webbd@hoffman-emh1.army.mil> which he's given me permission to quote:
>[begin Webb message]
>There was a front-page article in yesterday's (Sunday) NY Times
>about an upcoming auction at Sotheby's of Soviet space program
>memorabilia.
[End of Webb message]
>More details from the 8 August *Times* article:
>Auction is 11 December. Stuff will be on display at Sotheby's for a
>week preceding the auction. (We may hope that some Usenet
>correspondent will report on this...)
>I would *really* like to have Sergei Korolyov's slide rule. Do you
>suppose 100 bucks would take it? (-:
I don't know. I might overbid you.
Does anyone in the space memorabilia market know how much this stuff is likely
to go for? I mean orders of magnitude here, I realize that it depends a lot
on the buyers. How does one determine the authenticity of these things?
Is it possible to bid on a Sotheby's auction without actually being there?
I'm not really thinking about buying this stuff but I'm still curious what the
answers might be.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
He who laughs last probably didn't get the joke.
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 93 23:00:00 -0500
From: Charles Radley <charles.radley@pcohio.com>
Subject: British astronaut tour
Newsgroups: sci.space
Available for talks and lectures.
Helen Sharman - Britain's first astronaut.
In 1991 Dr. Helen Sharman became Britain's first person in space,
spending eight days on board Russia's MIR space station,
conducting a range of experiments and other work.
Selected from over 13,000 applicants, after listening and
responding to a radio advertisement, Helen spent 18 months in
training for the Juno mission. A Chemical Engineer by profession,
Helen Sharman is considered a role model by anybody who strives
for achievement, values, training, relies on teamwork, and
believes that the sky is the limit !
Video and slide support material and space artifacts available.
N. American contact:
Charles Radley
P. O. Box 30236
Middleburg Heights
OH 44130
USA
Telephone: (216)-891-9735
... Internet address:- DJ320@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Ad Astra per Guile !
... Internet address:- DJ320@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Ad Astra per Guile !
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 02:47:27 GMT
From: Dean Adams <dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu>
Subject: Did NOAA-I get up OK?
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <1993Aug9.182031.14699@info.brad.ac.uk> t.d.g.sandford@bradford.ac.uk (Thomas Sandford) writes:
>The environmental/meteorological satellite NOAA-I (to become NOAA-13 if it
>works ok) was supposed to have been launched at 1002Z on 8th August. Does
>anyone have any information about whether this launch took place/was
>successful?
The launch was delayed 24 hours, but everything went off perfectly.
I know because I was there watching... :-) There were some WX
problems that posed a slight threat, but at the last minute they
got the go ahead to proceed.
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Date: 10 Aug 1993 05:42:50 GMT
From: Eric Shafto <shafto@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu>
Subject: man-made meteor storm?
Newsgroups: sci.space
I was trying to figure out what it would take to make a man-made
meteor swarm, but I'm afraid I'm not clever enough by half. Could an
ordinary shotgun or rifle, fired from the shuttle, fire its
projectiles to where they would experience enough atmospheric drag to
re-enter? If so, would they be as impressive as real meteors, or are
they not travelling fast enough to give off that much light?
I thought it might be kind of neat to fill a shell with shot made from
different metals, and make a multi-colored meteor shower.
>From my inadequate calculations, though, it seemed that the delta-v
from a shotgun wouldn't be nearly enough. Am I right?
Thanks.
--
*Eric Shafto * The excursion is the same when you go looking *
*Institute for the * for your sorrow as when you go looking for *
* Learning Sciences * your joy. *
*Northwestern University * Eudora Welty, The Wide Net *
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 06:27:14 GMT
From: Steve Collins <collins@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: Mars Observer's First Photo (MEDIA WANTS DIGITAL IMAGES!)
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary
The Mars image has merit from several standpoints. It provides and important
data point for calibration of the camera, it lets us start to work out
some of the operational problems associated with targeting and acquiring
such images, it allows an assesment of the clarity of the martian atmosphere
(much clearer than for viking) and it serves a public information purpose.
In addition, at least some direct science could be done from the image,
which has better resolution than Hubble pictures. A dust storm was observed
in an area where Viking had seen similar storms in the past.
Hang in there while we get ourselves in orbit. Mars Observer will return
more data than all the earlier Mars missions put together...
Steve Collins MO Spacecraft Team (AACS)
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Date: 10 Aug 1993 04:17 UT
From: Ron Baalke <baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Moon Rocks For Sale
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary,sci.geo.geology
MOON ROCKS FOR SALE
August 9, 1993
Moon rocks will be auctioned off at Sotheby's auction house in New York on
December 11, 1993. The moon rocks are part of a collection of 200 artifacts
from the Soviet space program that will be available at the auction. The moon
rocks were obtained from a Luna spacecraft in the 1970's that had scooped them
up from the surface of the Moon and returned them to Earth. They are being
sold by the family of Sergei Korolev. Korolev was the mastermind of the Soviet
space program and died in 1966. The Moon rocks are expected to sell for around
$50,000.
This will be the second time that lunar material has been available
at an auction. The first time was in January 1993 when Moon dust was
sold at an auction house in Berverly Hills, California. The Moon dust
was collected by a NASA technician onto a 2 inch piece of transparent tape
from the spacesuit of astronaut Dave Scott after his Apollo 15 trip to the
Moon in July, 1971. The Moon dust sold for $46,750.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | When given a choice between
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | two exciting things, choose
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | the one you haven't tried.
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Date: 10 Aug 93 06:24:18 GMT
From: "H.S." <hshen@sdcc13.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Newton's method
Newsgroups: sci.space
In System Analysis,
There is a method by Newton called Steeptest Descent, which is used to
locate the minimum of a curve ( by continuously drawing the tangent line to
the curve and intersect it with x-axis, then drawing another tangent line
to the curve from the projection of the point on x-axis... continue such
process until the slop of a tangent line become flat, df/dt = 0. So the
minimum is found)
Unfortunately, such methods only guarantee to find the local minimums,
not the globe minimum. Often, it may come out to be a surprise that
the global minimum is way below the local minimums which was located
by Newton's methods, and it may be located somewhere far, far away from
all the local minimums that can be found.
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H.S. | " Shakspeare, Shakspeare, Shakspeare,
| How he was breeded .
| He had seen them All! That *Place*. "
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| " Haven take my souls, England keep my bones! "
| -King John, William Sha.
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Date: 9 Aug 1993 18:58:15 GMT
From: Jeff Bytof - SIO <u1452@boris.sdsc.edu>
Subject: S.H. is a hypocrite
Newsgroups: sci.space
[In response to S.H., a fellow Triton}:
>>>Organization: San Diego SuperComputer Center @ UCSD
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Hope this is not an insult. May I ask this:
>>>"Are you a staff of SDSC or an *user* ? "
>
>>Simply a user.
> Thanks A lot. This is All I want to know.
>
> Next time, if you are just the user, do not wear the Title of
> the Organisation which you are not belong to. Wearing somebody
> else's Title to send message is very ease to cause elusions.
> Sometime, it could be taken as done intensionly for political
> propaganda.
>
> Remember this:
>
> **You** do not represent San Diego SuperComputer Center @ UCSD!
S.H.: This is from YOUR mail header:
Organization: University of California, San Diego
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You represent UCSD? Hypocrite.
>>A dad of my friend's refused to believe in the Big Bang because a
>>'donkey driver' had something to do with it. There must be a great
>>truth somewhere here.
>
> Must be another fake story. May I ask here are you comming from.
This story is true. The names are not given to protect them from
YOU! Do me a favor, and put me in your Kill file - I've got enough
flies buzzing around here.
-rabjab
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Date: 10 Aug 93 04:34:39 GMT
From: "H.S." <hshen@sdcc13.ucsd.edu>
Subject: S.H. is a hypocrite
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <2466o7$n9c@pravda.sdsc.edu> u1452@boris.sdsc.edu (Jeff Bytof - SIO) writes:
>[In response to S.H., a fellow Triton}:
>>>>Organization: San Diego SuperComputer Center @ UCSD
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>Hope this is not an insult. May I ask this:
>>>>"Are you a staff of SDSC or an *user* ? "
>>>Simply a user.
>> Thanks A lot. This is All I want to know.
>> Next time, if you are just the user, do not wear the Title of
>> the Organisation which you are not belong to. Wearing somebody
>> else's Title to send message is very ease to cause elusions.
>> Sometime, it could be taken as done intensionly for political
>> propaganda.
>> Remember this:
>> **You** do not represent San Diego SuperComputer Center @ UCSD!
>S.H.: This is from YOUR mail header:
>Organization: University of California, San Diego
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>You represent UCSD? Hypocrite.
I am Hypocrite ?
I didn't speak for *someone else* like you!!!!!!!!!
That was the rereason why I said that.
No matter what Title I wear, I did not speak for someone else.
But that was not your case! You were wearing some title to
speak for someone else.
So, who is Hypocrite ???
Anyway, why are you getting so fuzzy about?
I simply asked you where are you comming from ?
It won't be difficult to prove that you are one of the "user group"
coming here for whatever the means.
>-rabjab
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Date: 10 Aug 1993 02:00:59 -0500
From: "John S. Novak III" <darknite@camelot.bradley.edu>
Subject: S.H. is a hypocrite
Newsgroups: sci.space
In <2466o7$n9c@pravda.sdsc.edu> u1452@boris.sdsc.edu (Jeff Bytof - SIO) writes:
>S.H.: This is from YOUR mail header:
>Organization: University of California, San Diego
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>You represent UCSD? Hypocrite.
Funny, I asked him about this in mail.
No reply, as of yet.
Tsk, tsk.
--
"What did I tell you last semester... When you think you're rightm stand your
ground, and slap him in the head until he listens."
-Steve Gutschlag to Carrie Weissberg. 01-28-92
John S. Novak, III darknite@camelot.bradley.edu
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1993 17:26:48 -0500
From: Frank Glover <Frank.Glover@f475.n2613.z1.fidonet.org>
Subject: Space Shuttle Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space
That was 73 seconds of flight, in the case of Challenger. (I seem to
remember a 73 second, rather than 60 of silence in the crew's memory
once, based on that time....)
Frank
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Date: 10 Aug 1993 00:50:54 GMT
From: Josh Hopkins <jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Titan IV failure. Info?
Newsgroups: sci.space
fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>In article <CBGrAJ.BLo@cyberspace.org> gregc@cyberspace.org (Greg Cronau) writes:
>>3.) The Glomar Explorer was owned by Howard *Hughs*, not Hunt.
>As far as I know, the Glomar Explorer is owned by the Woods Hole
>Oceanographic Institute and the Institute was never owned by
>Howard Hughs.
Are we perhaps discussing Howard Hughes or is there someone else famous with a
similar name? ^
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
He who laughs last probably didn't get the joke.
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Date: 9 Aug 1993 22:48:36 -0400
From: Pat <prb@access.digex.net>
Subject: Titan IV failure. Info?
Newsgroups: sci.space
No i think it was the glomar explorer. they did
salvage part of the soviet boat, but it broke in two
during the lift. only the forward section was recovered.
I believe the bodies of six soviet crewmen were buried at sea.
personal effects were stored, for later return. after the
mission was breached, i believe they did return these
fragments.
the primary objective of the mission failed. most of the secondary
objectives failed after secrecy was lost too.
pat
--
I don't care if it's true. If it sounds good, I will
publish it. Frank Bates Publisher Frank Magazine.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 03:15:21 GMT
From: Frank Crary <fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Titan IV failure. Info?
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <CBHy22.qo@trystero.com> quagga@trystero.com (Quagga) writes:
>>>3.) The Glomar Explorer was owned by Howard *Hughs*, not Hunt.
>>As far as I know, the Glomar Explorer is owned by the Woods Hole
>>Oceanographic Institute and the Institute was never owned by
>>Howard Hughs.
>Um, wasn't this the Glomar Challenger, owned by Summa Corporation (A Hughes
>company)..
No, the Challenger is a surface ship and it was definitely operated
by Woods Hole. That much, at least, I'm sure of since my uncle
spend a decade or so working on Challenger. As someone pointed out in
e-mail, the Explorer and Challenger may have been originally owned
by Hughes and later given the Woods hole.
(By the way, and to somehow relate this to sci.space, I beleive
the space shuttle, Challenger, was officially named after the
Glomar Challenger, which in turn was named after the much older
warship. That was to consistantly name the shuttles after research
and exploration vessels, not warships...)
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 04:39:29 GMT
From: Henry Spencer <henry@zoo.toronto.edu>
Subject: Titan IV failure. Info?
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <1993Aug10.031521.28794@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>(By the way, and to somehow relate this to sci.space, I beleive
>the space shuttle, Challenger, was officially named after the
>Glomar Challenger, which in turn was named after the much older
>warship. That was to consistantly name the shuttles after research
>and exploration vessels, not warships...)
No, the STS Reference says Challenger was named after the naval vessel.
Warship it may have been, but it *did* conduct the first major expedition
solely devoted to oceanography and related sciences, as I recall.
The original Columbia was a naval vessel too, and I believe Captain Cook's
ships (one of the Discoveries, and the original Endeavour) were as well.
Civilian oceanographic vessels are a relatively recent development (and
in fact I believe Atlantis was the first built as such).
--
"Every time I inspect the mechanism | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
closely, more pieces fall off." | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: Michael Sandy <michaels@psg.com>
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Starlite, Super Material?
Message-Id: <1993Aug9.233519.9200@psg.com>
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I read in BusinessWeek, of all places, about a supposed supermaterial
that conducted heat very well and was almost impossible to damage with
heat. The inventor called it Starlite, and if it lives up to its rep it
could enable a whole new breed of space craft.
Is this just another 'Cold-Fusion' tail-chase? Supposedly the guy was
holding out for a 51% interest in anything that used his product, rather
steeper than royalties.
--
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
"I resolve to make no non-tautological New Year's Resolutions!"
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End of Space Digest Volume 17 : Issue 007
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